Everything is on fire - the US politics thread

Kanye may have expressed his love for Adolf.

But Adolf wouldn’t have loved Kanye.

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The irony.

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That’s just so so so many Nazis at the moment. They just don’t realise the mental shit the Nazis did and believed in. I’d say 90% of Neo Nazis would either have been killed in Europe at the time, or they’d run away crying if they had to do what the Nazis there did

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Ed Martin was in the mob outside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, posting on social media that the violent riot that day was marked by “faith and joy.”

He has often echoed President Trump’s false claims that the 2020 election was rigged, declaring on the night before the Capitol was stormed that “true Americans” should work until their “last breath” to “stop the steal.”

He has spent the past four years raising money for — and in some cases defending — people charged with joining the mob. And when the House committee that investigated Jan. 6 sent him a subpoena, he never complied, risking criminal charges.

Now, Mr. Martin, 54, has been tapped by Mr. Trump to oversee the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington where he has been put in charge of dismantling the office’s signature project: the sprawling investigation of Jan. 6 that he has energetically opposed.

Gulf of America Day. JFK. :joy:

There was a couple of times for Uni where I lurked Storm Front.

My favourite post of all time was a Slav asking if it was alright for him to be a Nazi …

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Seriously. The fact that there are Jewish and Slavic neo-nazis is just a shocking indictment of us as a species.

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I generally base that opinion on warning labels.

But you are also correct.

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Plenty of other things too I should add, but that’s pretty high on the list

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Tribalism is a helluva drug for disenfranchised young men.

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Not just that though. Without trying to defend the end process, you have an entire generation of young men that, in fairness, are being consistently screwed over by the system. They’re being taught that a lot of the problems in the world, stem from white men (which in fairness, in Western society is generally true). But at the same time, they’re not the ones carrying out all the shit. People with racist hiring policies, banking policies, policing policies, they’re generally run by baby boomers, not exactly millennials and younger.

At the same time, they’re not being given access to proper housing, the job markets are fucked and the wealth is being hoarded by older white men themselves. They’re going to be looking at any way to vent their frustrations and are going to be wanting to blame whoever they can for being screwed over by society. The GOP is jumping onto the bandwagon and giving them a target for their anger. At the same time, the older generations are acting like everything they’re doing is amazing, and the fault lies with younger people and immigrants for being lazy etc.

Unlike the wonderful time the older generation went through when they were young.
Segregation, the draft, massive interest rates, racism, Vietnam.

The younger generation is always hard done by.

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Oh, sure - but we’re at a point now where it’s pretty well understood that millennials will be the first generation to be worse off than the previous, in most of your western societies.

Im not saying previous generations didn’t have it tough, but at this stage, it’s getting almost impossible to have a living wage and own a house. It’s even getting costly to rent a house, that would be coming from a policies set by boomers to allow their generation a leg up, but now there’s no policies being introduced to allow youth the same. Now I understand we have it ok here, but i’m also referencing the US, where healthcare is tied to jobs that are generally geared towards ripping off the employee and giving money to the shareholders.

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I was also referencing the US.

As for here and housing, there was no leg up given. Wives salaries were not taken into account when seeking a loan.

The one thing that did allow you to end up in a house was to get into the market with whatever cheap bit of rubbish you could afford and then let inflation increase your equity so you could upgrade. You still had to be able to cope with the interest rates.

The only leg up was given by Howard to those investors speculating in the property market by allowing a 50% cut in CGT which along with negative gearing made real estate the best investment in town and hence led to the current ridiculous prices.

Everyone talks about the good old days. They did not exist except in people’s distorted memories. That is why oppositions can always ask were you better off 3 years ago than you are now and mostly get a negative response.

The thing that people do not realise it is their youth that made the good old days better.

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Ok boomer.

I mean just your second paragraph proves my point. “Wives salaries were not taken into account when seeking a loan.” It meant whatever house you bought was based on the income of a single man, with your wife’s salary being disposable. Where in Sydney could you buy a 3 bedroom house on a median income of a single individual?

House prices have increased by 4645% since 1975, just in Australia. Wages have increased 1183%, a 4:1 ratio. Throw in the other current necessities of owning internet and a mobile phone, amongst other things and you might notice that the younger generations are struggling. I understand a lot of it is anecdotal, but when you have thousands of people complaining about house prices, grocery prices etc. then there’s generally a trend.

Negative gearing benefited house owners and investors, which surprise surprise, was baby boomers. Definitely didn’t help out 15 year old millennials. You mistake people saying it was easier in the past, with “the good old days.” We fully appreciate the fact that the good old days were difficult in certain respects.

It’s pretty measurable and proven out, at this point.

But it’s tough to point this out to most boomers, from my experience. They don’t understand structural privilege. They feel they had their own struggles and everyone struggles are all more or less equal.

So they just feel targeted and scapegoated for complaints they’re completely out of touch with.

I find it interesting when people bring up Vietnam and a whole load of previous wars. I mean yes Vietnam was horrible, but it didn’t exactly involve a huge portion of the world. It was very much Aussies and the US from the West. Europe had zero involvement, so does that mean they should hang their heads because they didn’t suffer with two Western Countries? Everyone has their own struggles around the world, some worse, some better.

I am completely in touch as I have a son and daughter in law with two kids going through the struggle of trying to buy suitable accommodation while living in a shit heap falling down rental.

I do not like your assumption that this has been caused by the post war generation and that we had it easy. It is a gross generalisation and an extreme general assumption.

It is the same tactic used by the neo cons to find a popular target that is not the cause of the problems and distracting them from the real cause.

Housing has become an investment rather than a place to live. Take away the investment return and prices will stabilise.
But then you get whoever is in opposition saying what a disaster it would be for the poor “mums and dads” if their property was devalued.

Bullshit, I would welcome it.

It is all part of the problem of having an economy that is just a ponzi scheme.

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