Because you’re only thinking of the first order effects, not the second, third, forth…
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Neville Chamberlain had thought of appeasement around 1938, and that all worked out well… 
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I never suggested this if you read through my posts I actually suggested the opposite.
Im not suggesting appeasement. I am suggesting some heavy threats from the USA towards Russia to encourage a ceasefire from both sides. This has to be done tactfully. You catch more bees with honey.
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Trump, for all his anti war posturing, still wants to increase the defense budget. Tell me how that makes sense unless he a) wants fighting to continue but to make greater profit off the export of death or b) plans to use military to squash internal dissent as part of his steamroller of american democracy. Or both.
Nobody, outside of hawks in the US behind closed doors, are arguing for war instead of peace. Everyone in this forum wants peace. The difference is that most of us think the peace should be on Ukraine’s terms more than Russia’s, given its their country and they were invaded and literally all history and language from Russia indicates they would violate any peace treaty or ceasefire.
Sure. America could go all America first and reduce their aid and miltary support. Thats a far cry from Trump blaming Ukraine for starting the war and presenting it as a problem Biden contributed to and he’s fixing, which is just complete fabricated bullshit.
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A position that’s says that Ukraine should just give in and take peace on whatever terms, with no guarantees, knowing full well that at some point in the not too distant Putin is just going to smack them again is no different to telling a domestic violence victim that they should just give in their abuser because you couldn’t be bothered supporting them. That’s what you’re advocating
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When signing a peace treaty with Putin now, one has to remember that the 2022 unprovoked attack by Russia was in violation of the previous peace treaty.
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I’ve always found you catch more bees with honey when it comes to bullies. Just go softly with them, play it cool, let them get their anger out on the younger smaller kids you know? Works a treat
Your plan only works with heavy threats from the US (even then it doesn’t, because they will not send troops and they won’t nuke, so same problem as Biden had). There aren’t any. Show me one even mild threat Trump has made to Russia. He hasn’t and he won’t.
Your plan is literally suggesting that if China annexed QLD you’d be quite happy to have Trump tell us that we should be very sorry for pissing them off in the first place and we should just give them what they want and back off, without any guarantee of support when they come again. I guess though if none of your investment properties are up there you’re probably ok with that though.
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The last time someone appeased a dicatator and allowed him to take territory without stopping him, we ended with WW2 which cost the world a shitload more money and death than if they’d actually stepped in an stopped him in the first place. I’ve literally said this hundreds of times. Putin wants to reform the USSR. He’s VERY open about it. He wants Ukraine, then Moldova, then the Baltics and then Poland. He’s learnt a shitload from this war and if you think they won’t make changes post Ukraine then you’re kidding. Stopping Putin needs to happen here, in Ukraine before he invades the next country and then the next and then the next.
They literally are. Trump doesn’t give a shit about Ukrainian deaths. If what you’re saying is true, then why is there ZERO pressure on Russia? He’s looking at withdrawing sanctions and allowing open travel between Russia and the US, while fucking over Ukraine financially. If he’s worried about death, the pressure would be on both, rather than sucking Putin’s dick.
I fully appreciate the horror that is war. But if they give up now, Putin WILL be back. Look at the parallels:
Hitler, takes Austria, I mean it used to be part of Germany so everyone thought he’d stop there. Does that sound similar to Crimea?
Hitler then takes the Sudetenland and the Rhineland, everyone thought, hey lets let him have it to prevent a bigger war. Did that stop him? No it made him think that he can keep on doing what he wants and no one will stand up to him. We LITERALLY have the same situation in Ukraine. If Russia takes Ukraine, I can guarantee more people will be slaughtered by Russia than would ever die in the war.
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I assume posting from Threads is Ok.
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The OP was fine. Then I got blinded by the comments section. Jeebus.
ON what planet does Ukraine want to continue fighting? Their issues with Trump’s ‘deal’ is that it does not offer security guarantees and does not require Russia to withdraw. I have no idea where you’re getting your info from but you’re wrong.
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He fucking blamed Ukraine for ‘starting’ the war.
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Yeah well, that’s just like, your opinion, man.
Nice marmot.
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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So one of the main kickers of being in power of a country or any project or organisation is the unbelievable wealth that comes with it. Just like when a company wins a tender for a large project, the owner and all their business associates (mates) make a shit load of money. It’s no different when someone is a president, they and all their mates make a lot of money off the deals they do. This is above all why Trump wanted to be president, why Biden wanted it, why Zelinsky wanted it, why our prime ministers want it. Like it or lump it, that is the way democracy works, you get the power and work inside or outside the laws of that country to make as much money as you can.
The Ukrainian people want the land they lost back. If Zelinsky concedes that land and ends the war and lets Russia keep it, he does not get voted back in and essentially his career is over. I think its safe to say, too, that he hasnt made the shit ton of money that comes with being a president during his tenure either, which makes him desperate to get the result.
I agree, but putin is not going to withdraw and I just don’t see why the US needs to get involved with the situation and give guarantees when they’ve got problems that need solving in their own country.
The thing about war is there are winners and losers. In order to end it you need a winner and a loser. Putin is not about to give all the land back that he won and and will continue to fight for more until the Ukraine concede the land they lost. Ukraine do not want to concede any lost land though. This is why they both continue to fight.
Honestly, what does this have to do with the price of fish? Who cares what he said, she said? That detail is irrelevant. Trump’s opinion on who started the war will not be recorded in history when this war ends. I’m debating what’s benificial for the USA and you (and every other member of the forum) are debating Trump is an idiot. I get it, he is painful to listen to, talks over people, is loud and obnoxious, repeats him self incessantly, the list goes on, but surely you can see some sense in limiting the US spending and involvment in a war on another continent? Even if it goes against the history and track record of the great war mongering nation.
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I’ll get in a lot of trouble if I respond back to that.
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I think it is worth responding because there is a significant ignorance of history, economics and the nature of international relations. I just don’t want to make it on my phone.
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It’s always good to know who the Nazi and fascist sympathisers are in any scenario. So when they tell you who they are, believe them.
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I gotta ask, going by your logic, do you think it was good whem the UK and the US went to war to defeat Hitler?