Everything is on fire - the US politics thread

The United States, virtually a demilitarized nation on the eve of the Second World War, never stood down in the wake of victory. To this day, American troops are deployed in 150 countries. Since the 1970s, China has not once gone to war; the U.S. has not spent a day at peace. President Jimmy Carter recently noted that in its 242-year history, America has enjoyed only 16 years of peace, making it, as he wrote, “the most warlike nation in the history of the world.”

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I think Americans still have the problem of believing if they work heard enough one day that mega rich person could be them so want those benefits to be available when they get there. Naive at best.

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Yep. A nation of millionaires temporarily down on their luck.

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While they haven’t gone to war, they’ve been slowly expanding their territory by essentially bullying and bribing their neighbors. It’s just that no one in the area really has the balls or the means to stand up to China. They’ve also been “consolidating” their previous territorial gains through war.

Agree that USA is screwed, but their wars generally end without annexations (at least in the past century or so). Using China as the bench mark is setting the bar fairly low…

The point is more about the ridiculous amount of money the US has wasted on wars that have done nothing to shore up its position of global leadership and have turned public opinion against it in much of the world. Even if you say that China’s sub-military expansionism is just as bad at least it hasn’t sent that country broke. In fact it’s ended up with China owning key infrastructure all over the world and having many other counties indebted to it in much the same way that Europe initially took over much of Asia.

I wouldn’t say that the US is broke. Sure the government may be in heavy debt, but the capitalist system allows so many more companies to become filthy rich. It mainly a distribution of wealth. In China, the state owns essentially everything and wealth is more centrally controlled, even down to being accused of devaluing their currency to increase trade etc. In the US, wealth is distributed to the individual and the individual builds their own wealth. The disparity between your top 1% and the rural working class is greater in China, than in the US.

China definitely has played it way smarter, but with a greater access to information and public perception in most countries turning against China, you’ll see more and more countries taking a stand against the state. The Chinese, in the last few decades, have worked on the assumption that the rest of the world needs them for cheap production and to purchase raw materials. The problem is, and we’ve seen this during Covid, is that having all your eggs in one basket isn’t productive or safe. There’s also a steady realisation, that China needs access to raw materials just as much as we need access to cheap goods and if it gets cut off, China will lose more that anyone else with their huge population.

It also should not be forgotten that China is not far off a crisis of their own with an aging population.

Harris is a smart pick for VP for Biden… was probably the most obvious choice really once you remove Warren from the running. Some ‘talk’ that Trump might move Pence on now and bring in a new VP running mate for the election. Sounds absurd but of course, we know that no longer matters.

If he does move him on, I can see Trump trying to blame Pence for some of the main issues he’s being hit with.

I still can’t get over the interview between Swan and Trump

Well Trump put Pence in charge of the Covid taskforce, so will certainly blame Pence for how badly that has turned out. I suspect it is also somewhat that he would be concerned with Harris being able to debate over Pence and I can almost imagine Trump wanting his own ‘version of Harris’ next to him… no idea who that would be.

That Swan interview was amazing, but would have zero cut through to the Trump supporter base… mostly they would just dismiss it as a set up or some such - fun for people like me who live in a CNN bubble though :slight_smile:

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If Trump does replace Pence it will be with his daughter.
That is unless Sarah Palin is available again. Imagine a Trump-Palin ticket!

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What ever yas do, don’t look up what Ben Shapiro’s wife told him about vaginal moisture.

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Only issue with losing Pence is that he’s a religious nut job that would be getting a fair bit of votes from that side. He’d have to replace him with someone similar. Although you can see him getting Kushner into the job.

Kayleigh McEnany :rofl:

Or Laura Ingraham…

Harris landing the opening punch as well…

“He inherited the longest economic expansion in history from Barack Obama and Joe Biden — and then, like everything else he inherited, he ran it straight into the ground,” she said.

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If it’s not Sarah Sanders than what chance does he have?

A win for all the hockey mums out there… could work though, you can see Russia from Palin’s front porch which would probably excite Trump a little…

I guess if you can just yell across the North Sea to each other then there can’t be a paper trail.

It’s even easier to yell across the Bering Strait.

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