First Gear-Grind of the new Forum

What is the medical application of it? I’ve only ever heard of it in an illegal drug discussion.

Pretty sure it’s a pain killer. 99% sure it was given to me when they were pulling my wrist out of my arm after a nasty bike crash

Yeah it’s just a synthetic opiate isn’t it?

Generally if it’s obscured behind something the machine flags it as an “unidentified object” and thus requires a manual check (bag search).

When I first started a lot of vibrators would be picked up as “firearm parts” until they updated the software just before I left.

Many chuckles were had.

Easily identified or obscured? Reads like you were just being assholes tbh.

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Immature arseholes too.

Why would you make fun of someone’s sextoy? It’s the 21st century.

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It’s not dumb luck. The security we have for PAX is overkill. There’s no threat.

AS I’m reading this I’m trying to figure out what the issue with tape is. When you say the reason it’s obvious. But you know, most people are decent and are not thinking of tape as a restraint device. Maybe some courtesy and patience on the seco’s part is called for here?

Now, have a job that works with the airlines. And you have to wear steal caps for work.

If I go through the vehicle access my boots are fine. If I go through the freight entrance (off the top of my head, it’s been over a decade) my boots are fine. If I have to go to an office in T2 or T3 and am using the PAX entrance, boots into the tray and through the X-Ray machine.

Security for PAX at airports is show and tell for the public.

It’s a really strong painkiller. If you’ve had some solid surgery there’s a pretty good chance you’ve had it.

I work in ICU so we usually run fentanyl as an infusion. I think it’s 100micrograms in 50mL and usually runs at about 2mL/h
So it’s pretty damn strong but we mix it at the bedside, without ppe except gloves cause I don’t wanna get funky stuff on my hands.

And if you are substituting it with morphine it’s by factors of 10.

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No idea, the rest of his fly gear was in his checked in luggage. I suspect the reel was hellishly expensive and he wanted to keep it in his possession.
The point is that they took the fly line but left him with about 100m of braided Dacron backing.
They also issued passengers with headphones with wires that could also be used as a weapon if a fly line could.
Madness.

The variation from place to place causes a lot of the issues. Sydney is actually really good, with no need to take most things out of your bag. When I went through Rome recently a bottle of water was fine. Meanwhile Gatwick forced me to take off my (canvas) shoes, which I haven’t seen anywhere for years, then held me up for 25 minutes over a tube of lip balm.

Just shy of 74,000 overdose deaths in 2022 from fentanyl in the US. 2mg is enough to do the job. Those sorts of levels are quite easy to reach in crystalline form or accidental overdose from patches.

Fentanyl comes in ampoules in micrograms.
To make 2mg you would need 8 of the 250mcg/5mL ampoules that we use.

I think that’s the dose we use at hospital.

That’s 40mL of liquid added into whatever. So it’s not like it’s a single drop of the stuff.

The problem is more the clandestine sources don’t necessarily prescribe to the same WHS standards as a hospital.

If someone were to accidentally open a bag of unknown white crystalline powder, airborne particulate fentanyl is absolutely a problem. 2 X 1/1000 of one gram isn’t very much.

I went through customs today in Sydney and yeah everything could stay in the bag. Actually sped it up a fair bit (aside from the aforementioned water-in-bag guy)

Last time we flew recently my son asked the wand guy what they do if someone has a metal plate in their butt. The security guy looked blankly at me like it was all my fault. All 4 of them giggled for about an hour about that one. We’re heading off again overseas in a few weeks so I look forward to what they’re all going to come up this time.

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Used to get asked quite often “What happens if you guys discover a bomb in a bag, or an active shooter comes through”?

People were quite surprised when I answered “If you see me running, try and keep up”.

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Domestic Sydney is different though. It is quite weird in-between cities. I find Sydney is a lot faster through security, but you need to take out laptops etc. Don’t know if the scanner sensitivity changes, but sometimes it picks up my belt and other times it won’t. The worst part in Sydney, is when you have to go right down the very end on the right hand side where there’s only one scanner, rather than splitting into two. The funnel the same number of people that way and have to wait twice as long.

Melbourne is significantly slower, but you don’t need to take anything out of your bags. But then I find they pick out bags for extra searches more often, which is really annoying. That and the body scanner in Melbourne always manages to pick up some random stuff on my body, despite the fact that there’s no way I got anything on me.

This is what I was saying earlier about the issues with Private Security companies running the security. I worked for SNP at Sydney Airport (Now Certis Security - a Singaporean company). I can’t remember who does Melbourne.

However our policy, was you need to remove laptops and electronics from out of your bags. In Melbourne, you don’t need too, but because a laptop will block the view inside the bag, they need to do more bag searches because they can’t see what’s behind the laptop.

I totally understand passengers frustration around that inconsistency. If I had 10c for every time a passenger moaned "Oh, it was fine going through (insert domestic airport of choice in Australia), I’d be able to buy my own bloody airline.

The sensitivity is calibrated daily and changes daily. Sometimes it changes by shift. I used to do it sometimes just before we opened a lane. Fun Fact: Qantas kept their priority lane the lease sensitive.

Probably what’s known as a Hi-Tip. We get those on the X-Rays too that generate false images on the screen (of guns, grenades, bombs etc) that you have to pick up. I am assuming the scanner does the same. By the time I left, we had a body scanner on trial over at the Southern End lanes of the T3 terminal. Was a temperamental piece of shit.

To be fair given it’s presented as such a critical security operation, there should be uniformity of standard across the country at least. When it’s not it’s easy to see why people think it’s a bit nonsensical.

Hilly’s not entirely wrong when he says the whole domestic operation is a bit of a song and dance to lure the general public into a false sense of security, pardon the pun.

Is the general citizen with a pair of nail scissors really capable of taking down an aircraft? No. Will a roll of electrical tape successfully take an entire flight crew and several passengers hostage? Probably not.

In the event of an actual terrorist attack, attempted or successful, the likelihood of the current security process being able to stop it is minimal. There are a thousand and one ways you would be able to pull it off that by-pass the current measures that are in place.

It was shortly before I left for example, that all ground crew started having to go through a metal detector and a bag-scanner when entering the airside entrances to the airport. Previously, they just had to flash their ASIC and undergo a very rudimentary bag check in which we were not allowed to physically touch or ‘search’ through the bag. It was a literal eyeball glance inside their bag (which half the time was so packed full of stuff you wouldn’t be able to spot a gun or a grenade or whatever!) That’s why baggage handlers were the biggest drug courier around. The AFP did a massive bust a handful of years ago nationwide and nabbed dozens of baggage handlers because they were muleing the drugs around on passenger flights every day.

My FIL works as a mechanic for Qantas , and he drives his ute in and out of the airside areas on the daily. The security there are meant to do a full vehicle search, but generally they’ll peek inside his tray and call it a ‘search’. He mentioned only recently that he’s been subject to a full car check once in the last 5 years. He jokes that he could put a planes engine in his ute bed and drive out the gate with it without the security guards paying too much attention.

I bet that piece of information makes you feel safe.