The travelling circus: stadia discussion

General contracts are 10% of the final fee for construction. Although can increase if the contractors turn around and claim lost extra lost income etc. So essentially it will be minimum $76mill to be paid to Lendlease, which will increase depending on if they’ve also paid their own subbies etc

I’ve always said, what’s going to happen (and labor have known this from the start), should they win, they’ll go ahead with the current plans and blame everything on the Liberals, saying that it’s too late/expensive to cancel. It’s the biggest election bullshit they can come up with.

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And I’ll just add this letter co-signed by Danny Townsend, alongside the CEOs of Roosters, Waratahs/NSW Rugby, Rugby Australia, NRL and the FFA

A JOINT LETTER TO OUR MEMBERS

Yesterday the courts ruled to continue the redevelopment of the new Sydney Football Stadium. We are writing to you to reaffirm our support for the exciting plans to invest in a new world class sporting venue. As supporters of our codes, we want you to know why we are backing the new stadium.

We require a stadium for the people of NSW that:

  • has an adequate amount of amenities for women and girls;
  • offers food and beverage options that encourage people to be active viewers of sport and can add to their viewer experience;
  • provides undercover seating areas to satisfy the expectations of today’s spectators; and
  • meets safety standards for today and into the future.

Put simply, the stadium is 30 years old and does not meet modern standards. As sporting fans know, it is a vastly inferior facility compared to those in any other major Australian city. With the largest population and strongest economy of any state in the country, we believe NSW should have world-class facilities that not only put us on par with other Australian cities, but supersede them. For this reason, we are delighted to see much-needed improvements across the Sydney Football Stadium, ANZ Stadium and Western Sydney Stadium. Combined, these stadiums allow each of our sports to grow and attract major international events.

We are excited by the prospect that you will be closer-than-ever to the action, have a roof that covers 100% of the seats and enjoy a game-day experience that is second to none in Australia. The whole family will enjoy the spectacle – and it won’t take 20 minutes to buy a pie. Your safety and comfort at sporting events is paramount.

Redevelopment of the Sydney Football Stadium will attract new events for each of our sports, more spectators and bring new life to our home ground precinct, continuing the investment already made in the SCG.

We want you to know, as a supporter, how much this will benefit you and your team. We firmly believe that this is a necessary investment for each of our codes and for sporting events in NSW. We are proud to support the stadiums that support the games we love.

Yours Sincerely,

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I think this was already rumoured but it looks like if we host the grand final it will be at the SCG:

If we host it it should be at Parramatta.

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It’s not like anyone else will be using it for their grand final.

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True that and someone has to bring the aura of success there.

Seriously though, what are the advantages (for the FFA) playing it at the SCG instead of WSS. SCG members won’t have to pay for their tickets, the Randwick end of the ground won’t sell thus reducing capacity and apart from the Noble/Bradman stand the corporate facilities are worse. With the expectation that WSS would sell out the FFA could also charge more per ticket so financially you would think they are better off.
Lastly, and of least importance to the FFA, playing the biggest game of the year in a brand new, purpose built football stadium packed to the rafters is a much better image to be presenting than the SCG alternative.

We’re due to win one on the road so I’ll happily lap up the Sheds tears.

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A bunch of horrible options for Grand Final host venue:

  • Perth: AFL/cricket oval (people say it’s nice and all, but ovals suck the big one)
  • Adelaide: AFL/cricket oval
  • Sydney: AFL/cricket oval
  • Melbourne: AFL oval probably; it will be ironic if they choose AAMI and Melbourne have the only decent option
  • Welly: Cricket oval

So basically, death to the A-League.

I vote for a perth vs sydney gf in perth.

Thanks.

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I don’t want to alarm anyone, but I don’t really think we have to worry about hosting the GF.

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I also believe this is the best option.

:face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Hmm interesting timing. I wonder if there is an election soon

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I wonder if that will stop people suggesting that it was so non-compliant that it had to be torn down.

18mill would simply be the first stage of refurbishment to do the bare minimum though? It reads that every time they update the legislature, they would have to make new changes to the stadium to make sure it’s in line. Also it’s pretty fucking typical of politicians (especially labor). “Lets spend the bare minimum to scrape through and then in ten years, lets spend a shitload of money.”

The article says that there will be a major refurbishment of the stadium required at a maximum ten years from now. Why would you spend money now to do the bare minimum, when the money spent will essentially be wasted in 10 years once it all changes anyway.

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$18m might have fitted sprinklers and added a few disabled seats…

And that report was one of many that went to the Parliament committee (with a minority of Lib/Nats) who concluded a decent refurb would be $700+m and recommended demolition.

Certainly wouldn’t have gotten any accesibility (lifts/escalators), or fixed the roof, or widened concourses for that money.

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I read the article. It actually works in favour of the liberal government IMO. The headline draws in readers who want to read about this secret report so they can affirm their opinion that a new stadium is a waste of money, but it slowly describes that in reality, it would cost a lot more to refurbish, and that the decision to rebuild was made by a committee which included a labour MP.

The same article goes on to mention comments made by Daley that were taken as being racist.

considering 90% of readers will look at the headline only…

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True. If posted on Facebook, there will be all these comments from people who haven’t read the article, jumping to conclusions, with the occasional “Have you even read the article?” comment from others who have.

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There is a lot to unpack here so here goes.

The composition of the committee was as follows;

The Hon Robert Brown MLC
Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party
Chair

Mr Justin Field MLC*
The Greens

The Hon John Graham MLC
Australian Labor Party

The Hon Trevor Khan MLC
The Nationals

Mr Scott MacDonald MLC
Liberal Party

The Hon Taylor Martin MLC
Liberal Party

The Hon Lynda Voltz MLC
Australian Labor Party

So there were three coalition, two Labor and two cross-benchers. There was an appendix to the report in which the two Labor members issued a dissenting report. Their dissent concerned Finding 6 which read;

Finding 6
The committee finds that the safety and security concerns at the Sydney Football Stadium support the case to proceed with the demolition and rebuild of the stadium facility in the Moore Park precinct.

The dissent read;

“Labor Members of the Committee do not agree with the proposition of Recommendation 6 that the Government proceed with the demolition of the Sydney Football Stadium (SFS) if planning approval is given. The Labor Members believe any decision on the demolition of the Sydney Football Stadium should be postponed until after the outcome of the NSW State Election to be held on the 23rd March 2019 is known.”

Here are all the other Findings that, presumably, enjoyed unanimous agreement.

Finding 1
The committee finds that the various justifications put forward in support of capital investment in stadia infrastructure are sound, including growth in the visitor economy and increased economic activity through tourism, ticket sales, advertising, sponsorship, sale of merchandise, transport and accommodation.

Finding 2
That the NSW Government’s failure to prioritise the release of business cases or other quality assurance processes, understandably led many in the community to question the government’s motives in prioritising stadia, and also the claimed benefits that superior stadia will deliver to New South Wales.

Finding 3
That the projects announced under the NSW Government’s stadia strategy have not met the government’s own infrastructure spending criteria.

Finding 4
That the NSW Government has undermined public confidence in the decision making process by proceeding with the chosen stadia strategy, prior to completing or full public disclosure of detailed business cases.

Finding 5
The committee is convinced that the safety and security concerns identified at the Sydney Football Stadium are of significance and require immediate attention.

Finding 7
That the NSW Government did not provide sufficient opportunities for thorough community consultation and input to inform the development and planning process for the Sydney stadiums strategy.

Finding 8
That the demolition of the Parramatta and District War Memorial Pool for the Western Sydney Stadium, without first providing an alternative facility, has severely disadvantaged the people of Parramatta.

Stadium Report

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