Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Zdrilić: The Ufuk Talay Thread

Most managers wouldn’t continue to play a stupidly high line and push their wide backs 80m upfield everytime they attack without providing adequate cover for the inexperienced CB’s.

The problem isn’t the personnel, it’s the instructions that they’re being given.

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I think so many of our shortcomings this season were clear from off-season. We started well but all of the following was said at the start

  • We stocked up on too many attacking players- it should have been either Ouahim or Costa not both (and yeah sure we dont know when Costa was an option and was probably a take him because hes too good to say no to)

  • We forgot about defensive signings- remember the big talk when we signed Klimala was whether we should have trusted Wood/Kucharski and bought in a visa CB or bought in Klimala and hoped we found an Aussie CB.

  • If we were going to go light on CB we really needed a convincing 6 or to hope Holman grows into that role. Sena’s done some great things but hes not really a 6.

If Talay out, who is in?
Corica kicking ass in Auckland.
Zdrillic getting ass kicked in Perth.
Inanimate Carbon Rod is busy.
And Arnie is enjoying beers at the pub.

Its been 2 years almost with useless defence so why do we keep buying attackers & midfielders start buying defenders ffs.Btw where’s rudes these days??? just saying.

Don’t joke about things like that.

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I don’t think it would ever happen, but if it did, I’m returning my membership with a firm explanation of why.

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My big question is whether the Costa signing was forced by the board, or whether Talay was happy for it to happen. By all accounts, we were getting a striker and a defender, but then Costa happened out of nowhere and it seemed like we were scrabbling like crazy to get a decent CB for the season.

I wondered who was responsible for the signings during Corica’s final years. Was he actually responsible for the squad?

Is it typical that a manager makes a direct signing, does the manager describe the kind of player he wants and the club finds someone to fit that role, does the manager yes or no each signing? Ive got no idea how it actually works in general or at our club. Does anybody actually no how the signing pricess works?

I would assume each would have very different ways of operating. But in general, I would assume you the following:

  1. Manager/coaching/technical team will identify areas of weakness
  2. The above team MAY suggest local players that they’ve seen that could be a good fit. If no local players are available, they’ll suggest a style of player at least (i.e. fast striker, technical play maker etc.)
  3. Director of football or generally whoever is responsible would commence a search to find a player that fits the mould and would also be interested in a move.

The bigger signings may be different as you’d have Costa’s agent potentially hitting up SFC or at least spreading out feelers that would be picked up by SFC. Then you’d have a direct commercial involvement that could actually be pushed through by the board rather than the coach.

I remember something about Arnie’s contract stipulating that he gets to choose and buy his squad. I don’t think that is the normal process.

I guess it depends on the contract.

Again depends on the club and the management. I would suggest though, that a manager should always get final say on signings. At the end of the day, their arse is on the line and they’re they ones that are creating tactics, formations and training sessions to suite who they have. If you’re going to be playing down the wings with crosses coming in from the touchline, it’d be fairly silly for a board to suggest Klimala or Wood as the main striker.

It also wouldn’t be realistic for a manager to know every single player they could potentially sign. There will be salary constraints as well as visas etc. My assumption would be that, apart from Aussies or maybe one or two international signings, Arnie would have been presented with a range of players for Visa spots that he could chose from.

I don’t think this is how world football normally works, although I think it varies country by country, the club management/president or the Technical Director is often able to overrule the head coach on a signing.

I dare say they 100% can overrule the manager. The question is just how often that would actually happen and how successful is this when it occurs? I can understand telling a manager that a player is too expensive. But then, as a manager, you’d be pretty pissed off if suddenly your team was filled with players you never actually wanted or planned for

There have always been rumours that Klopp wanted to sign Julian Brandt instead of Salah but the hierarchy overruled him. At clubs where there’s a director of football the manager will definitely have to accept some signings that they aren’t necessarily too keen on.

At Sydney FC the manager and his assistants compile their requirements, for position, style of play, attributes etc, taking into consideration current squad and academy prospects.

Then the technical Director / Director of football will use their resources (scouts/contacts/agents etc) to identify suitable candidates within the available budget range who will be discussed with the manager, if the manager agrees they will be pursued. Final decision is made collectively balancing need, availability and cost.

I don’t believe it was any different for GA, it simply doesn’t work in a salary capped league with such complex rules. GA did however get complete control over choice of his assistants and support team (analysts etc)

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