Ive got dibs on the Alfa.
And do you want us to get fucked up on fruit tingles or those snake things from the church bar at your wake?
People from the eastern suburbs are more likely to WFH.
People that live in the west are more likely to do a job that has to be done on site and probably have to travel 15km+ to get there.
Who cleans your lab and your lab offices? How far do they have to travel to get there?
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Happy to sell you the Alfa before I die if youāre THAT keen on itā¦
Youād have to do both. Fruit Tingles and fights over shoes with the dickheads from The E & C first, then snake cocktails at the Churchie, before finishing up trying not to get stabbed at The Oxā¦
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Nah nah. No wants to PAY for an Alfa!
And Iām not drinking Vodka at the Ox.
Completely fucking wrongly, thereās no debate, utterly shitty messaging screwed this up horribly and left giant gaps for ignorant fuckwits to spout shite to gullible fuckwits.
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In almost every state in the US (and nationally), vaccines administered were going gang busters up to about 50-60% and then started tapering off as the vaccine hesitant and anti-vaxxers became the majority of the unvaccinated population. Supply far exceeds demand over here now - I know people going in and getting third doses or getting another brand just because they can.
In Aus news I keep reading projections like this based on ācurrent ratesā yet all we need to do is look anywhere else in the world and see that the curve tapers off after a certain point. Is there any evidence that the Aus population will be different here? If not, Iād take those hitting the target in October/November projections as a massive grain of salt.
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AZ hesitancy is basically just an Australian phenomenon isnāt it? I jumped thru the hoops to get it early. Dr Norman Swan has a good youtube video on the risks.
I thought some European countries had some issues with it also including limiting it to age groups like we did initially. Some of the Scandinavian countries from memory
Swedish friend, told me last week that they were hesitant to get AZ here because in Sweden it is limited to over 60ās only. But they had supply of Moderna and Pfizer to offer the under 30ās.
Most of Europe officially designated AZ as 60+. The mixed messaging isnāt just an Australian phenomena. There was further bad stories coming out where in Scandinavia, they vaccinated all elderly people in nursing homes and then had deaths immediately afterwards. This was jumped on by anti-vaccine idiots as proof that the vaccine was dangerous, even though it was later found that they did because they were old. There was no jump in extra deaths.
A few things currently going for us:
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We donāt yet have as polarizing politics as Europe and other countries do. Weāre mainly central when it comes to politics and weāve had all the major parties come together to support taking the vaccine
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Our population hasnāt been living with Covid for the past two years. Weāve had sporadic outbreaks, but in Europe, youāve had the fear of catching Covid for 2 years now. Some of that will have become normalized and people would have become complacent. Here, we have a very fresh fear which will be driving people.
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The lockdowns here are stricter than Europe. Thereās an added incentive to get the jab
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Countries with 70-80% Vaccine coverage:
U.A.E.
Malta
Singapore
Bahrain
Uruguay
Qatar
Chile
Denmark
Canada
Belgium
Iceland
Portugal
Spain
Ireland
U.K.
Singapore has now stalled at just over 80% first dose and are only doing about 7k new shots per day. 2nd doses to catch up shortly. This includes 89% of 12-39 year olds, so it wonāt go much higher.
If one of the most compliant populations on earth, with a government who can request and anti vax fake news to be removed off the internet is only just meeting the target, there should definitely be concern as to whether Australia can hit 80%, especially with so many things in the roadmap tied to that target.
I think if we get to 80% it would be good enough. Make sure there enough doses around for the remaining 20% to get a couple of shots if they change their mind . After that have at it
Are they that compliant? Singapore has an extremely big migrant worker population which you would think would be affecting the numbers with vaccine hesitancy?
Weāll hit 70% and start to reopen properly, then when cases increase, youāll see a big surge to and weāll quickly jump to 80% as more people freak out.
In NSW first doses have passed 50% of the adult population and still accelerating (so those projections are conservative in that sense), despite Pfizer not being made available to 35% of the adult population which is U40, still mostly having supply constraints where people have to āfindā bookings instead of being able to walk into wherever locally, and before weāve even formulated the carrots or sticks to compel the laggards.
It will eventually slow down, but I canāt imagine hitting a significant wall miles from 80%.
Not sure your point? Iām not saying achieving 80% coverage is unattainable, Iām saying picking a future date as to when that number is achieved based on current vaccination rates is futile. That assumes the curve is linear which is an erroneous assumption.
Canadaās curve (source - Reuters - https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/canada/:
Exactly. Current projections assume itās linear when itās actually accelerating 20%/week including a significant week-on-week increase on the most recent release just yesterday.
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The āhave at itā scenario really doesnāt take into account children, who will be not be vaccinated. My 5 year old has asthma and struggles to breathe with a normal cold, I cannot imagine what Covid might do to him.
I understand we have to reopen at one point, and that is most likely going to be long before there is vaccines for under 12ās, but I would encourage those who think that at 80% we can all just go āf.ck the unvaxxed, let it ripā need to consider that Delta overseas has put more children in hospital than the previous strains
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To Nerd it out, the current curve hasnāt taken into account an increase in supply. We have a huge amount of demand at the moment but not supply. Currently weāre vaccinating between 66,000-80,000 per day. Thatās taking into account the fact that our mass vaccination hubs are completely booked out until the end december at this stage. If you take into account the lower number 66,000 which would be a vast majority of Pfizer doses, we should still be on track. Bookings are almost guaranteed vaccination shots.
Edit: In the space of one month weāve doubled our average doses per day. My point with the list of countries, is that you have a very wide range of different countries, with different demographics and cultures that have managed to achieve their targets. Thereās no reason why we shouldnāt be able to do so as well in a fairly quick timeframe.
I would hope thatās not what anyone is imagining. From everything Iāve seen govt sources put out we would still have contact tracing, isolation for close contacts, distancing measures etc. in place for the forseeable future. Just less need to lockdown and freeer travel for the vaccinated.