Round 4 - Adelaide vs Sydney FC - 11/11/23

It’s also worth noting that in any job, when someone joins a company you generally try and pronounce their name correctly, it’s just common courtesy.

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To be fair, the younger gen seem to care less and less about this. He probably just doesn’t give a shit about how it’s pronounced

The ABC do something like this at the start of the NRL season
Andrew Moore runs through the pronunciations in the lead up to the season.

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If Mark Rudan can have everyone to instantly switch to calling him Marko, we should be able to do something similar for pronunciation of player names

Do we know we are saying it incorrectly? Perhaps someone asked him and he said that was how he preferred it to be pronounced?

TIL. West Slavic languages have “chleb” while all other Slavic languages (except for Croatians, who are difficult and different by insisting on “kruh”) have “hleb”, even though it’s pronounced the same.

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Well this nickname is dead now, I guess.

The Kooh doesn’t have the same ring to it.

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Unless he instigated the removal of our previous leader.

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This.

I think in sports commentary the principle should be pronounce it as either the player themselves pronounces it or as they state they want it to be pronounced. Just because a name has Polish origin doesn’t necessarily mean it must be pronounced as it would be in Polish.

And to be fair I think by and large our football commentators do pretty well at this. I’ve heard Simon Hill mention on comms multiple times that he has ducked down to the change rooms to check on the name of a debutante.

Lucy Zelic is a bit different again because she was usually doing it for foreign players at the World Cup that she can’t talk to personally. In that case, attempting it in the original language is a worthy goal but difficult to achieve for 20+ languages.

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I reckon that behind anyone who accepts or adopts a mispronunciation of their name is a migrant (either the individual themselves or an ancestor) who either got sick of correcting ignorant mispronounciations or felt they had to abandon their heritage to fit in here.

That isn’t something I want to support, so I’ll do my best pronounce names properly thanks. Just like I try to always correctly accent spellings. Assimilation sucks.

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I I like this idea - could build on it, perhaps make it a social media post, where they pronounce it themselves.
Anyone from the club still check out the forum? Just saw the posts on this thread out-rate the nappy banter on the other thread… so imagine if it went viral on the internets!.

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https://twitter.com/SydneyFC/status/1711917029828305387

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If English speakers were to pronounce my full name properly, my first name would be affected too so not arsed at all imo.

At least English speakers seem to kind of care compared to other groups of people.

Oh dont worry, in my head I always pronounce it with my best Russian “Russki” and my best Australian English “Sydney”. One doesn’t affect the other! :grin:

Rudan should just be happy not to be referred to as the defendant ( allegedly)

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So you would insist on calling someone something that they themselves don’t identify with? Bit weird no?

Names and the migrant experience are incredibly personal and I wouldn’t presume anyone’s reasons for making a particular choice for how they name themselves.

Short of an explicit stated request to specifically not use the native pronunciation (which may have many valid reasons), yes, I would prefer to use it if I’m familiar with it.

I think there’s a degree of improper to proper pronunciation with migrant names. There are versions that are completely wrong, IMO, like pronouncing Jahanbakhsh as Yahan…as if it’s a Slavic name. Needless to say, lots of non-Middle Easterners will struggle with the kh sound later in the name, so I feel a hard k sound is an acceptable stand-in.

Also, my dad’s name is Abbas, which is adopted from Arabic, but Persians don’t pronounce it just like Arabs. If Anglos are saying something close enough but slightly different, it would be a bit hypocritical to criticise it, since we don’t say it exactly like Arabs. But if they call him like Addas, that’s clearly wrong.

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For the record, sometimes commentators overcorrect and say AKHmad or MoKHammed. It’s just an H sound, guys.